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I have been studying all your stuff about Jeffrey Epstein,

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which is, after all, what you have been spending loads

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of time speaking about recently and

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what we’re gonna speak about tonight.

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2005, I assume, is that the yr

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that some ladies began coming ahead

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and speaking to the police in Florida?

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Proper and Palm Seashore Police. In Palm Seashore?

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Inform me what occurred.

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Who had been the primary ladies who had been courageous sufficient to do this?

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We have now a tradition now the place there’s loads

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of points about individuals not being believed,

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which discourages individuals, victims, from coming ahead.

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What had been their claims, and the way had been these claims handled

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by the police after they got here ahead?

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The native Palm Seashore Police took the case very significantly.

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They really did a masterful investigation on this case

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as a result of as soon as they discovered one woman,

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that one woman mentioned these two ladies introduced me.

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They go to the opposite two ladies,

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after which two ladies mentioned nicely, this woman took me.

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So they’d a 200-page investigation,

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and you could possibly the threads on how all these ladies.

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Now they did not all know one another

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as a result of the primary woman did not find yourself realizing

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all the opposite ladies within the pyramid.

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However all of them instructed the identical story

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about how they had been recruited,

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how they’re led into the again door within the kitchen.

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They go up the steps to his mixture bed room lavatory,

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and simply the identical factor,

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in the event that they had been employed to offer him a therapeutic massage

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and possibly they had been gonna need to undress in some type

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and that they’d be paid to offer him a therapeutic massage.

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That they had, by the tip of their investigation,

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a minimum of a dozen, shut to 2 dozen ladies

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who all had been telling the identical story.

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So then they went about getting all types

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of cooperating proof.

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They had been choosing by way of his trash.

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It is like out of a film after they picked up his trash.

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Then they’d take it someplace and offload it,

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they usually discovered all these messages in there

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the place it mentioned one thing like Melissa

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is gonna come after soccer apply.

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Courtney can be there at two.

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She’s going to carry her pal, Allison.

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Messages after messages.

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They obtained the telephone information.

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The telephone information confirmed that there have been calls made again

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and forth between the ladies and the recruiters.

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They carried out a reasonably thorough investigation.

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You bought concerned on this story in 2017, is that proper?

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Is that while you began Sure.

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Investigating? Yeah.

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That is actually primarily, at this level, a chilly case

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as a result of every thing’s been sealed.

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He is been free and as much as his regular stuff.

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And what introduced it to your consideration,

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and the way did you crack this case?

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After he pleaded responsible, there was a few victims

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who had filed a lawsuit in opposition to the federal authorities,

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claiming that, by doing this deal in the best way they did,

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they violated the Federal Crime Victims Rights Act,

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which provides victims sure rights

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such as you’re allowed to seem on the listening to

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the place the felony who’s charged

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together with your crimes goes to be sentenced.

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You are allowed to search out out from the prosecutors

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precisely the standing of your case.

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When there’s a plea deal, you need to be instructed about it.

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None of this occurred on this case.

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So that they filed a lawsuit in 2008, and right here it was 2017,

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and that lawsuit was nonetheless sitting there.

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The choose hadn’t decided,

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and I believed why is it taking these ladies,

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girls now of their late 20s, 10 years to litigate this case?

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It simply appeared loopy to me, and I believed I would like

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to check out this and discover out why.

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And one of many issues that occurred simultaneous to that

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was that Acosta was nominated by Trump

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to be his labor secretary. Proper.

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And I believed, mm, that is gonna be fascinating.

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I hope they ask him about this little factor.

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And it was like a footnote to the hearings,

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and he obtained confirmed, and this man

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who mainly allowed Epstein to virtually stroll free

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is now in command of the large company with oversight

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over human trafficking and baby labor legal guidelines.

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So my preliminary purpose was actually to only strive

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to search out the ladies and attempt to do a react story,

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and I had no thought on the time that it

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was gonna result in such a giant investigation.

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I did not understand it on the time

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that it might take me so lengthy to search out the ladies because–

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Yeah, how did you try this?

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How did you observe them down? Properly,

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all their names weren’t within the file

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as a result of they had been all minors.

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So that they had been all Jane Doe one, Jane Doe two,

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all the best way as much as Jane Doe 143. [laughing]

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I needed to actually simply do a number of digging.

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And inevitably, you discover the place they neglect to redact a reputation

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or there’s a part of a reputation after which a birthdate,

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so it was like this massive puzzle.

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Puzzle, puzzle. Yeah.

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I discovered the names of 60 girls,

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and I tracked all of them, just about all of them, down.

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After which in doing that, then that is when it actually veered

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away from a react story as a result of simply by monitoring them down,

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I discovered the place their lives had led them.

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And a number of them didn’t fare nicely

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within the years that adopted.

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Lots of them fell into drug dependancy,

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abusive relationships, a few of them had handed away.

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So by that point, Epstein’s out,

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he is flying his jet throughout Europe.

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I believed this is this man that is again

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to his jet-setting life,

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and these girls are all nonetheless struggling.

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In my thoughts, irrespective of what number of tales that had been written

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up till that point, I felt that none of them

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had actually defined what had occurred

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to those girls and why it had occurred.

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I despatched letters to nearly all of them,

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and I managed to get 4 of them

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to agree to speak to us on the file and on digicam.

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One of many beauties, actually, in regards to the mission

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was that I instructed them they did not have

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to speak in regards to the abuse in any respect

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as a result of actually, to me, this story

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was the breakdown of the felony justice system

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and what had occurred to them. In fact.

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So I mentioned you do not actually have

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to speak about that in any respect.

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I mentioned I wanna know the way this occurred

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and why it occurred and what you wanna say about this.

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And it was a watershed second for them

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as a result of they felt that nobody had ever requested them

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about that earlier than, that everyone was so involved

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and so concerned on this salacious nature of the story

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and the intercourse a part of the story and the superstar

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that was a part of the story and the political angle

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that was a part of the story, that no person

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had actually taken the time to grasp precisely

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what this had completed to their lives, and even in the present day,

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and the way a lot that they nonetheless undergo in consequence

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of what occurred as a result of they weren’t simply molested.

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They had been betrayed by the very individuals

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and authorities that had been supposed to guard them

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Precisely. and convey them justice.

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So the three-part piece you wrote for The Miami Herald,

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which known as Perversion of Justice, and it is on-line.

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I urge all people to learn it if you have not learn it already.

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It is an incredible piece of reporting and writing,

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and that actually led to a cascading sequence

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of occasions after that as a result of he was charged.

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And was {that a} tremendously vindicating second for you

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as a journalist to see that, truly,

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this had been taken significantly by any person?

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Emily and I nonetheless take a look at one another typically.

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We’re coming to New York for all these hearings,

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and first he is arrested,

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and we’re sitting there ready to listen to the fees.

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After which the media mentioned to Geoffrey Berman,

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the prosecutor, nicely why now?

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Why’d you arrest him now?

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And he appears simply at me and he goes,

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we had been assisted by some superb investigative reporting.

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Thanks, Julie Ok Brown. [audience applauds]



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